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zagg:	rW discourseI'd be curious to see a top 5 movie list from rW editors. 8/10/2001 02:23:01 PM
adam:	Phil Greenspun reviews the Nikon 995 and it's fair, but it ain't pretty if you get my meaning. 8/10/2001 01:35:58 AM
dj:	Mjcurrent: yessir globaldj: the movie was total crap. Mjcurrent: oh, this again? globaldj: Tell me WHY you liked it. Mjcurrent: because the narrative structure totally drew me in and I had a lot of fun figuring things out as it went along. Mjcurrent: also, it was funny and well-acted. Mjcurrent: but mostly it was the narrative. Mjcurrent: I'll give you this much: Mjcurrent: that if the character had a normal memory Mjcurrent: and if the movie was toward beginning-to-end in a conventional way Mjcurrent: it would not have been very interesting. Mjcurrent: but of course making it that way would require changing the crux of the film, his memory problem, and thus would change the whole movie. Mjcurrent: and it wouldn't be the same anymore anyway. Mjcurrent: so it's almost a moot question. globaldj: it's not moot, to me. Mjcurrent: why? Mjcurrent: the whole issue of his lack of memory was what the movie was all about! Mjcurrent: you can't just look at it as an assortment of violent acts and pretend you're considering the whole movie. globaldj: I never thought it was that hard to figure out what was going on. It wasn't at all believable to me. I think the movie would have been interesting if it was 12-15 minutes long. Mjcurrent: of course, you've never been one to write a movie off for reasons that, say, make any sense. globaldj: After that it was tedium. globaldj: you are always SO insulting. Mjcurrent: Believability was kind of a side point. globaldj: it pisses me off. Mjcurrent: ok, sorry! Mjcurrent: I was kidding anyway. Mjcurrent: I don't think it had any obligation to be realistic. Mjcurrent: so did you know before the ending that Sammy Jankis didn't exist? globaldj: There have been a SLEW of mediocre movies recently with weak plots, "narrative gimmicks" and mildly interesting ideas "I'm a Ghost" "I'm unbreakable" "I have no memory" in which a white male protagonist runs around acting violent and making some mediocre jokes. Enough is enough! Mjcurrent: see, this belongs on rme.net. Mjcurrent: I thought the plot was strong. globaldj: rme.net is coming soon. Mjcurrent: as for the gimmick, I'm not sure it has that much in common with Sixth Sense. globaldj: i didn't think the plot was strong at all it was a B-detective movie plot. Mjcurrent: Sixth Sense was kind of a one-trick pony. globaldj: I HATE that movie . Mjcurrent: I liked it but there wasn't much to it. Mjcurrent: I think there was more to Memento. Mjcurrent: I haven't seen Unbreakable. globaldj: I havent either - no need. Mjcurrent: so maybe I'm just not seeing enough of the kinds of movies you're talking about to get tired of them, and then not like Memento. globaldj: I think that also, in general, the craze around Memento just shows how terrible movies are getting. That people are looking at that as a groundbreaking movie. Mjcurrent: right. Mjcurrent: I think you're right there. Mjcurrent: directors with any studio backing are entirely too timid. Mjcurrent: movies can do so much more and most people just never do it. globaldj: It's got 2-4 interesting ideas, a sexy femme fatale and a fairly pedestrian plot. But bext movie of the year? When I'm around people talking about Memento I get sick and sad that we've sunk to that level. Mjcurrent: and audiences never see those movies. globaldj: There are so many great movies. globaldj: We could watch 3 a week and never finish. Mjcurrent: I still don't understand how you can call it "fairly pedestrian," though. globaldj: I don't see what's NOT fairly pedestrian about it. Mjcurrent: Admit it: the large majority of movies do not have Memento's narrative structure. Mjcurrent: It's just a freaking fact! Mjcurrent: I don't care if you like the structure or not. Mjcurrent: you're perfectly entitled not to like it. globaldj: Sure, but that narrative structure is NO BIG DEAL at all to me. It's a mix between Pulp Fiction & The Matrix globaldj: Nothing more, nothing less. Mjcurrent: but you can't call it pedestrian! Mjcurrent: OK, fine, but don't call it "pedestrian" or "standard B-movie" or whatever. globaldj: Standard B-movie - NO QUESTION Mjcurrent: You're so ridiculous. globaldj: Man kills drug dealer. Mjcurrent: Just admit it: most B-movies aren't structured like Memento. Mjcurrent: Man kills drug dealer is one part of Memento. globaldj: There's a difference between the structure and the plot. globaldj: the plot is B-movie and pedestrian. globaldj: The structure is different. globaldj: "different" Mjcurrent: The structure affects the plot. globaldj: "unusual" "rare" sure. Mjcurrent: How many movies end with the main character taking advantage of his memory deficiency to trick himself into eventually killing his ally? Mjcurrent: I'm just asking. I don't care if you liked that about it or not. Mjcurrent: you can't separate the structure from the plot. globaldj: You CAN separate the two. globaldj: Buy the DVD and watch the scenese backwards. the dude still has no memory. Mjcurrent: well, I think we've pretty much run this into the ground. Mjcurrent: it's just a fundamental difference in how we experienced it. Mjcurrent: I was excited by the structure, and you weren't, and that's all. globaldj: Memento - more than the death of American film, it's the death of American film critics. Mjcurrent: I would like to think that "the death of American film" title can go more to dreck like Pearl Harbor. Mjcurrent: which, to be fair, I haven't seen. Mjcurrent: let's keep in mind who the real enemies are here. globaldj: It's the old Fox or the Wolf debate. globaldj: I know Pearl Harbor is total shit. (the wolf) globaldj: Memento is total shit disguised as indy something something. it's the fox. globaldj: You Can Count on Me - THAT's a beautiful movie! globaldj: Show Me Love / Jails Hospitals & Hip-Hop / The Life and Times of Hank Greenberg / globaldj: and one more, I forgot. Mjcurrent: color of paradise globaldj: didn't see it - BUT it was an Iranian film - The Wind will Carry Us globaldj: Five GREAT movies from last year globaldj: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0150662 globaldj: http://www.currentfilm.com/dvdreviews2/fugitivesedvd.html 6/6/2001 01:05:02 PM
dj:	But White House spokesman Ari Fleischer was adamant today when asked whether the president would ask Americans to stop using so much energy. "That's a big 'no,'" Fleischer said. "The president believes that it's an American way of life, that it should be the goal of policy-makers to protect the American way of life. The American way of life is a blessed one." The president, he said, considers Americans' heavy use of energy a "reflection of the strength of our economy, of the way of life that the American people have come to enjoy." 5/8/2001 02:13:12 AM
dj:	Stephen Sommers, the director of The Mummy Returns, tries to make like Spielberg, but he hasn't the chops. What he is, in fact, is a CGI fool. He's quite obviously a lightweight. My instinct is to go farther and call him a pestilence. He doesn't know how to make a movie; all he knows is how to shoot stuff and then cut it together so it shakes and rumbles and the more easily seduced among us go, "Cool!" (from Jeffrey Wells' Hollywood Confidential) 5/4/2001 04:33:32 AM
dj:	Sudama Adam: fuck it globaldj: yeah globaldj: fuck it Sudama Adam: yeah 5/3/2001 06:36:46 PM
dj:	Originally on slashdot, I really like this take on Eazel, Open Source, and the IT industry. 4/20/2001 01:08:19 PM
dj:	I've been waiting for a long time. I've always wanted my cell phone ring to be "Ain't Nothin but a G Thing." 4/20/2001 12:32:27 AM
nedlog:	Sudama Adam: i just wish i had some extry cash Mjcurrent: sometimes your icon is animated, other times it isn't Mjcurrent: who are you, a hillbilly? Sudama Adam: if i were a hillbilly Mjcurrent: "sometiy-mes, Ah jest wish I had some extry cash" Sudama Adam: and you were a lady Sudama Adam: would you mary me anyway? Mjcurrent: yeah, but you have a son Sudama Adam: if i were a hillbilly Mjcurrent: and I'm not into kids Sudama Adam: i'd say "wuxtry" Mjcurrent: what do you know about wuxtry? Sudama Adam: cani quote you out of context Sudama Adam: nothin Mjcurrent: yes you may Mjcurrent: well where did you get that word? Sudama Adam: i just wrote it Sudama Adam: it's how hillbilly me says extry Mjcurrent: bullshit Sudama Adam: fjord@ Mjcurrent: "hillbilly me" Mjcurrent: I wish you had a TV show called that Mjcurrent: Hillbilly Me would wear overalls and go barefoot Mjcurrent: or wear one of those barrel contraptions with straps 3/22/2001 04:10:18 PM
dj:	Is it true that Gwyneth Paltrow is your role model and that you wrote her a letter? Yes, she wrote me back and I carry the letter around with me. It's one of my most prized possessions. I couldn't believe she wrote back. Do you respond to your fan mail? I try to respond to as many as possible. I try to send a picture. Sometimes I even call if they leave a phone number. It's hard to get to every single one. Now that you've played Hepburn, is there a person you'd like to play you? If somebody was going to play me I would want it to be Natalie Portman. Did you mind when Anna Faris made fun of you in Scary Movie? I just thought she was hysterical. She made fun of me so well, she completely got all the weird things I do with my hands and my arms and the weird face things I do. I was so excited somebody was making fun because I make fun of me all the time. It just cracked me up so I had to send her flowers to say thank you. 3/22/2001 09:20:10 AM
dj:	rW discourse Don't stop. 3/21/2001 03:02:43 PM
nedlog:	rW discourse delete this stuff before you post God I love this page. I hope no one ever does anything to endanger its existence. Make sure to hammer down on the last nails! 3/21/2001 09:54:46 AM
adam:	walk on by... 3/20/2001 11:32:31 PM
dj:	The issue of racist sports mascots creeps more and more into coverage by the mainstream press. 3/20/2001 07:30:34 PM
dj:	Here's a great column about Mike Mussina, the Yankees and the Orioles. 3/20/2001 03:42:08 PM
dj:	Bobby Valentine was in a restaurant recently when the pain piercing through his lower back was so excruciating that all he could do to find relief was trudge into the bathroom and lie on the floor. Valentine propped his feet up on the toilet seat and prayed for the pain to subside. This was not a singular experience for Valentine, who has rested his damaged vertebrae on restaurant bathrooms for more than a month. Valentine would usually lock the door so he could endure his misery in private. But, in this instance, Valentine was so debilitated that he forgot to lock it and another person meandered in. The man was shocked to see someone, never mind the manager of the Mets, lying near the toilet paper dispenser. "I told the guy it wasn't worth an explanation," Valentine said, "and got up and left." 3/20/2001 08:11:00 AM
dj:	3/19/2001 08:08:31 PM
dj:	i like long slow parties with lots of food. 3/19/2001 08:00:52 PM
dj:	"bubbling" this to the top: Pratt slams unbeaten discourse Hyderabad - Propelled by an elegant unbeaten knock of 114 by Garry Pratt, England reached 256 for 4 on the opening day of the third and final under-19 Test against India at Lal Bahadur Stadium here today. Joing skipper Ian Bell after the openers were dismissed by Amit Mishra for 66, Pratt dominated the the day's proceedings and registered a 102-run partnership for the 3rd wicket. Pratt toyed with the India bowlers during his unfinished essay of 114 runs of 194 balls in 270-minute stay at the wicket. He scored runs with a flourish lofting spinner Vidyut Sivaramakrishnan over long-on and punished Mishra with a second 6 over long-off. Pratt, who scored 28 and 66 in the first Test at Mumbai, compiled his 114 with the help of 13 fours scored all around the wicket. Playing the role of anchor, skipper Bell rotated the strike back to in-form Pratt wherever possible and in the process scored 46 off 132 balls including 6 fours before being traped leg before wicket by Dharmichand at the fag end of the day. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- found by go vegan 1/28/2001 09:15:17 AM 3/19/2001 06:21:09 PM
dj:	what is there not to like? B-A-G B-A-G BBBBBBAAAAA B-A-G 3/19/2001 06:06:24 PM
dj:	reducecourse 3/19/2001 06:02:35 PM
dj:	Saturday afternoon, Turk Wendell came into the Mets game in the eighth inning, but realized that he didn't know the signs. So The Turk pretended that he swallowed a bug, bending over on the mound, choking. Todd Pratt came to the mound. Turk asked for the signs. "I didn't want everyone to know I didn't know them," he told Pratt. 3/19/2001 05:09:45 PM
dj:	use the cache, zagg. 3/19/2001 09:29:29 AM
dj:	i wish minidiscs could do this 3/19/2001 09:23:42 AM
adam:	I probably found it through Google, but I'm not sure. 3/18/2001 03:57:11 PM
zagg:	Hey Adam, I did that ICSC thing. I was testing something at work. I thought I had deleted that page though. Weird. How did you find it? 3/15/2001 01:41:17 PM
Go Vegan:	Sorry for all those bobo RW blogvoices posts. I'm just doing my part to ruin RW. Just kidding. Anyone hungry? 3/14/2001 02:02:54 PM
adam:	What do you suppose this means? 3/6/2001 09:42:00 PM

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